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growth of fine flax. Now while hemp and flax, both the ordinary
and the fine variety, are sown by those whose soil is suited to grow it, the threads
from which the Seres make the dresses are produced from no bark, but in a
different way as follows. There is in the land of the Seres an insect which the Greeks
call ser, though the Seres themselves give it another name. [6.26.7] Its size
is twice that of the largest beetle, but in other respects it is like the spiders that
spin under trees, and furthermore it has, like the spider, eight feet. These creatures
are reared by the Seres, who build them houses adapted for winter and for summer. The
product of the creatures, a clue of fine thread, is found rolled round their
feet. [6.26.8] They keep them for four years, feeding them on millet, but in the
fifth year, knowing that they have no longer to live, they give them green reed to
eat. This of all foods the creature likes best; so it stuffs itself with the reed till it
bursts with surfeit, and after it has thus died they find inside it the greater part of the
thread. Seria is known to be an island lying in a recess of the Red Sea. [6.26.9] But I
have heard that it is not the Red Sea, but a river called Ser, that makes this
island, just as in Egypt the Delta is surrounded by the Nile and by no sea. Such another
island is Seria said to be.These Seres themselves are of Aethiopian race, as
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however, that they are not Ethiopians but a mongrel race of Scythians and
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I think the best is:~{Q!TqDcKy0.5D#,0.DcKyQ!Tq5D!#~}

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Personally, you're excused by this little girl.  I forgive your
rudeness.  

Are little girls not allowed to  have our own thoughts and way of
thinking?  Just because you're sick, we can't talk or send emails any
more?   Would you like to order the earth from spinning next?  I
wasn't trying to instruct anyone how to pick their life partner, I was
merely expressing my own feelings.  

I thought that's what this mailing list was about -- a place for
everyone to communicate and express themselves.  If you can't deal
with that, maybe you should take another look at the word "respect"
that you so talked about.  If you think these are all junk mails,
maybe you ought to  reconsider joining mailing lists like this.

I apologize for my bad use of words.  I will try not to use it again.

Get a good rest and get well soon.
qq

---Betty Li  wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but would you please stop this topic, especially
> those "little girls"? 
> 
> Sorry for my intereference. But I really don't want to spend my time 
> deleting junk mails while I am having a fever and tried hard to get
> on-line.
> 
> It is beyond basic respect to others, no matter man or woman, to 
> talk about choosing a life-partner as some "chestnut". Thanks.
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> 

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>for a while before HZ code came out and ACT started.
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>Bubai
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What I tried to say is the population of Taiwanese in Internet
Chinese newsgroups such as ACT has nothing to do with Taiwanese
Internet connection technology. Taiwanese academic societies
enjoy Internet long time before ACT. When ACT came up, few people
in Taiwan subscribe ACT, not because of technology difficulties or
bandwidth limitation, but just simply not interested. They have 
more choice than those who live overseas.
 
Then where did they go? How they exchange messages with others?
The answer is BBS. Even now, BBSs are still more popular than 
the Internet newsgroups. (Some BBS now exchange messages with 
Internet newsgroups such as tw.bbs.*) Around 1988, thousands of
Taiwan BBSs already connected to the world via FidoNet. Though
those Chinese boards are there, but when the storage and network
bandwidth were very expensive, most foreign BBSs operators didn't
subscribe foreign language code boards for few, if any, of their users.
Economical rather than technological concern.

Bubai

Shi-min Fang wrote:
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> At 03:02 AM 11/18/98 -0500, hw@buffalo.edu wrote:
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> >This is not quite true. Taiwanese acadamic network cnnected to Internet
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> >for a while before HZ code came out and ACT started.
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What I tried to say is the population of Taiwanese in Internet
Chinese newsgroups such as ACT has nothing to do with Taiwanese
Internet connection technology. Taiwanese academic societies
enjoy Internet long time before ACT. When ACT came up, few people
in Taiwan subscribe ACT, not because of technology difficulties or
bandwidth limitation, but just simply not interested. They have
more choice than those who live overseas.
 
Then where did they go? How they exchange messages with others?
The answer is BBS. Even now, BBSs are still more popular than
the Internet newsgroups. (Some BBS now exchange messages with
Internet newsgroups such as tw.bbs.*) Around 1988, thousands of
Taiwan BBSs already connected to the world via FidoNet. Though
those Chinese boards are there, but when the storage and network
bandwidth were very expensive, most foreign BBSs operators didn't
subscribe foreign language code boards for few, if any, of their users.
Economical rather than technological concern.
 
Bubai
> 
> Shi-min Fang wrote:
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> > At 03:02 AM 11/18/98 -0500, hw@buffalo.edu wrote:
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> > >for a while before HZ code came out and ACT started.
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~{7"<~HK~}: Shi-min Fang <fang@xys.org>
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in antiquity as it is in modern times. There comes a crushing
evidence against the assimilation of the two names. It is only
three centuries after the Christian era that the Chinese symbol
employed to write this name began to assume in its pronunciation
a hissing sound which, in the wear and tear of speech, was developed
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name we ascertain in several ways. The most archaic of the Chinese
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Hi, all:
    Sorry i can't input chinese in unix pine.
    Is there any web site introducing the history and 
current state of Chritianty in the world?
    another thing is that i read an interview with JingYong
who wrote wuxia. He started to learn Buddism after his son's death.
In the interview, he said, he couldn't understand the scripts in Buddism
like YuanJue Jin, JingGang Jin clearly before he read a serial of books
published in British. Those books is about the oldest literature about the
Buddism in India. i can't remember the name correctly, "Yuan Zhui" or
something else. Anyone know's the english name?
    Too many experts here, hope i can get an answer. Thanks

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I have a Chinese file which can be viewed under MS word, but can't be
viewed with NJstar, which is my favorite editor. In the old days
(older version of MS word), I could simply save the doc as DOS text,
and I will get pure GB file. Somehow, I cannot do it with my "new"
version of MS word. No matter what I do, there's always space in
between every pair of characters. Any suggestions?

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It's time to say goodbye to Njwin :-) :

    If you use Windows 95 (or Windows 98), and Netscape 4.0 (or
above), or MS Internet Explorer 3.0 or 4.0, you can view Chinese
Web pages without a Chinese language software. All you need are
a set of Chinese font and some simple settings. Simply follow the
following instruction:

1. Run your Web browser (Netscape or IE)

2. Go to http://mssjus.www.conxion.com/msdownload/ieinstall/ie3lpkcn.exe

3. After downloading, click on file ie3lpkcn.exe and follow its
instruction.

4. If you use IE 4.0, do nothing. When you see a Chinese page,
click View ->Fonts -> select Simplified Chinese

5. If you use IE 3.0, click View -> Options. Click Font Setting
button at the bottom, click Language, select Simplified Chinese.

6. If you use Netscape 4.0, click Edit -> Preferences -> Apperance/Font. In
the window of "For the Encoding", select 
Simplified Chinese; In the window of "Variable Width Font" and
"Fixed Width Font", select MS Song. When you see a Chinese page, 
click View ->Encoding -> Simplified Chinese.

(If you want to view a page in traditional Chinese, you need to
download http://mssjus.www.conxion.com/msdownload/ieinstall/ie3lpktw.exe

and follow the same steps. The traditional Chinese font name is 
Ming Liu)

For best result, use Netscape 4.0 or IE 4.0 to view http://www.xys.org.
Don't use IE 3.0.

Tell your friends who can't afford a Chinese software this simple
method and this wonderful Chinese site: http://www.xys.org



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